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Post by Ro on Oct 26, 2014 14:39:01 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a whole tonne of typos there, most of the info there wasn't proof-read either. Though, here it states clearly that Rivitt is the leader of the Mechanists, and there's never mention of other crew members in the show (there probably is, it's just Rivitt's dragon is the last of the pure grey draconium variant. I'd suspect only the leader or equivalent would get that privilege). Mechina is never mentioned in the official scrapbook, and there are no grey-type cards in the TCG library. Either way, that's the only place they appear, I wish the way back machine (site cache for most webpages) still had all the working images and links. I'd like to know too, and I have a feeling that it was something to come up in the Academy series. That and I believe the old DB site had a lot of miss-information, along with a whole bunch of weird typos and such (again, there's no way Moordryd is 6'10". Word's listed as 6'3" himself, so...). It's not entirely reliable, actually. It's very old, and I do believe Rob mentioned once to the Furox that they had little say in what went on with the websites, as they were published under a third-party company by the networks. So, that's probably where most of the bad errors came in, they were fixed on the 2006 site. Some of those errors were Moordryd's height (was switched to the appropriate 5'10") and a few touch-ups to the crew's descriptions I believe, as Story Hat had a bit more of an influence with that version of the site. (But this is just hear-say, I need to dig that topic up again) Though I have a feeling we'll never know, unless we get to do a Q&A session of our own, which is something I hope we can accomplish should we get more members. It's be interesting to finally have some of these questions answered, and I've got quite a few of them myself. (I'll make a new topic for that however  ) |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 26, 2014 15:57:49 GMT -5
Yeah, the typos are nuts on that site, But I really enjoy reading up on the gear & city pages, SOOOOooooo helpful >///<
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 27, 2014 20:06:22 GMT -5
While both the Furox's site and the official websites have typos, both of them mention that Machina is the leader (not sure why the Furox would say Rivvet is the leader in that post if on the website Machina is listed o__0). And it's not entirely clear whether Libris is actually Rivvet's dragon or whether he just said that so Artha would help him out; the Mechanists are known for being sly and devious. Why would a racer's dragon, even if he is Elite, have a dedicated artifact to calling it that everyone knows legends about? It seems more likely that Libris is an ancient dragon of sorts that Rivvet and the Mechanists wanted to get on their side, either to join their crew, exploit its power to lead their grey dragons or to gather other grey dragons. Also wasn't there mention by someone at some point in the series that Libris is the last grey-bone dragon around? With any luck, and more members, we can have a Q&A as Ro said above and get some answers regarding the Mechanists and grey-bone dragons~
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 27, 2014 23:44:06 GMT -5
---And it's not entirely clear whether Libris is actually Rivvet's dragon or whether he just said that so Artha would help him out; the Mechanists are known for being sly and devious. Why would a racer's dragon, even if he is Elite, have a dedicated artifact to calling it that everyone knows legends about? It seems more likely that Libris is an ancient dragon of sorts that Rivvet and the Mechanists wanted to get on their side, either to join their crew, exploit its power to lead their grey dragons or to gather other grey dragons. "Lebris was once MY dragon~Rivvet" Y'know, I never really bought that either, especially the way he kept shifting his yes back & forth, anybody else notice that...? But that's not to say that I think Rivvet was lying to DB, Rivvet IS well trained in verbal manipulation, He would know exactly to add just enough truth to a lie to make is more palatable.. My little theory is that the Mechanists are more likely after the bone dragons, not so much for the profit that's in it (well, yes, but that besides), but more likely because the Mechs are responsible for their protection! Remember! Rivvet also said that "If anyone took control of the grey-bone dragons, they could easily be used to start another war" That, to me, glues the idea together that the Mechs do actually have a vested interest in the well-being of the GB-dragons! It would also make sense why they're so frantically looking for the rest, Rivvet did say "There are more like Lebris, but their draconium purity has been altered" So! It's more than likely that Lebris was the GB-dragon entrusted to Rivvet, not necessarily Owned by him. TL;DRThe Mechs are looking for the GB-Dragons so they can purify their grey draconium & protect them form neer-do-wells that would use them for the D-H war. Man, I am WAYY to obsessed with the Mechanists >///< Not Rivvet, just the Mechanists |
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 28, 2014 1:10:27 GMT -5
I love the Mechanists and GB-dragons too Though the Mechanists have always been portrayed as opportunists, and in the original war they sold grey gear to both sides. It seems to me that they want the grey dragons more for profit, and in turn protect them from others so others can't profit from the market they create. Libris just seems way to insane to belong or even have been given to an Academy racer- the only other characters who have dragons that big are Mortis and Drakkus, both people who were trained by the ancient order of the Dragon Priests. Unless Rivvet has the same or similar background, perhaps the Mechanists are involved in some sort of ancient cult too, it seems unnatural for him to have been given control of such a powerful dragon. It's likely they wanted Libris because Libris might have some kind of ability to shift those altered dragons back into their pure grey states, much how Word attempted to alter red draconium dragon eggs into black, or as described in the Alchemist episode, using a (pure?) dragon's mag energy to alter a dragon egg. Either way, I still think their intentions are somewhat questionable considering the role they played in the original war. |
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Post by Ro on Oct 28, 2014 4:01:49 GMT -5
According to my information, Rivitt was an academy student, and this is where he learned to evolve his dragon. Mortis and Drakkus both have evolved their dragons, which is something you learn in the academy, according to the Magna Draconis. (It was suggested that we would see an evolved Beau And it wasn't the Furox that wrote that character sheet, it was Rob Travilino and Kevin Mowrer! So it was from the creator and the story editor themselves. That and the 'official' site is hosted on Furox's website, as well.
You also need a dragon to get into the academy, which does hold it's secrets. So it's possible that Rivitt rode Libris to get into the academy, and kept riding Libris to stay in the academy. Then, when he was kicked out Libris took off, I'm guessing. Going back into hiding so he wouldn't be found, because at the academy he was safe. That and Rivitt was taught at the acadmey, and could probably control Libris' power much better then anyone, especially with his draconium influence along with being around them for so long. That and dragons only live for so long (About the same as a human according to Rob and Kevin) so it's possible that Libris is a descendant of the original Libris, and the altered dragons were put in some sort of cryo-statis for safekeeping, like what the shadow track did to Armeggadon.
As for Word transforming the dragons, he used pure black draconium to alter their bone colour via energy waves, I'm guessing. Either way, it was a condensed black draconium lens that he used to do so. I'd have to re-watch the episode to get the specs on it however.
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 28, 2014 5:34:18 GMT -5
According to my information, Rivitt was an academy student, and this is where he learned to evolve his dragon. Mortis and Drakkus both have evolved their dragons, which is something you learn in the academy, according to the Magna Draconis. (It was suggested that we would see an evolved Beau And it wasn't the Furox that wrote that character sheet, it was Rob Travilino and Kevin Mowrer! So it was from the creator and the story editor themselves. That and the 'official' site is hosted on Furox's website, as well. Could you forward me a link to the Magna Draconis? I was under the impression that dragon transformation was taught by the ancient order of Dragon Priests as part of their training, and there was no mention of Connor or Word actually going through Academy training in the series (especially considering that Word was kicked out of the order, I doubt the Academy would then accept him). Connor at least was never an official street racer either; events in the Alchemist episode show he really did dedicate his time to breeding dragons, and he had other Elite Class racers ride his dragons. You also need a dragon to get into the academy, which does hold it's secrets. So it's possible that Rivitt rode Libris to get into the academy, and kept riding Libris to stay in the academy. Then, when he was kicked out Libris took off, I'm guessing. Going back into hiding so he wouldn't be found, because at the academy he was safe. That and Rivitt was taught at the acadmey, and could probably control Libris' power much better then anyone, especially with his draconium influence along with being around them for so long. That and dragons only live for so long (About the same as a human according to Rob and Kevin) so it's possible that Libris is a descendant of the original Libris, and the altered dragons were put in some sort of cryo-statis for safekeeping, like what the shadow track did to Armeggadon. That still doesn't explain why Libris has an ancient artifact dedicated to him- neither T. Pax or Abandonn have an associated ancient artifact, and the closest thing even the Dragon Booster Beau has to an artifact is the bone-mark amulet. If it was Rivvet's dragon, and he transformed it to look as it does now, how come an ancient artifact can call his dragon to anyone who wields it? Likewise, why would his dragon listen to others in the first place? Beau only listens to Artha (not counting the Moordryd incident in Pride of the Hero, that's for a different discussion!), so it seems strange that someone else can call and use another rider's dragon. As for Word transforming the dragons, he used pure black draconium to alter their bone colour via energy waves, I'm guessing. Either way, it was a condensed black draconium lens that he used to do so. I'd have to re-watch the episode to get the specs on it however. Yeah I know how he did it, that was the reference I was trying to make Perhaps because Libris is the last pure GB-dragon, the Mechanists want it so they can use scales or bone sheddings or whatnots much like Word used a condensed black draconium lens, to alter other dragons back to a pure grey form. |
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Post by Ro on Oct 28, 2014 8:37:50 GMT -5
Could you forward me a link to the Magna Draconis? I was under the impression that dragon transformation was taught by the ancient order of Dragon Priests as part of their training, and there was no mention of Connor or Word actually going through Academy training in the series (especially considering that Word was kicked out of the order, I doubt the Academy would then accept him). Connor at least was never an official street racer either; events in the Alchemist episode show he really did dedicate his time to breeding dragons, and he had other Elite Class racers ride his dragons. The Magna Draconis Q&A can be found here, and yes, it's actually the academy that teaches how to evolve your dragon, not the preisthood! (The academy and preisthood aren't exactly on the best of terms... So they don't really share secrets.) Dragonology would be a topic you'd be interested in, I'm taking it ^^ That still doesn't explain why Libris has an ancient artifact dedicated to him- neither T. Pax or Abandonn have an associated ancient artifact, and the closest thing even the Dragon Booster Beau has to an artifact is the bone-mark amulet. If it was Rivvet's dragon, and he transformed it to look as it does now, how come an ancient artifact can call his dragon to anyone who wields it? Likewise, why would his dragon listen to others in the first place? Beau only listens to Artha (not counting the Moordryd incident in Pride of the Hero, that's for a different discussion!), so it seems strange that someone else can call and use another rider's dragon. That's because grey bone dragons are sort of legendary, like Beau! However, it could also be a matter of difference in draconium. T. Pax is actually a blue dragon and with Mortis being trained in the old ways he can pull out the gold in his bones, and Abandonn is a black dragon, just evolved to be bigger. Also, you'll notice that the horn only calls Libris, it doesn't control him! You'd have to have academy training to do so, because he's an evolved dragon with incredible power. You're also seeming to forget that dragons are actually just as intelligent as humans, but that story is also in the Q&A which I linked. So, with the mindset that dragons and humans are just as smart as one another, you wouldn't listen to someone who just jumps on your back and tells you to go, now would you? I have a feeling Decepshun only did so for the Dragon Booster because Moordryd was also under control by the Furox, and she was worried for her friend. Dragons won't listen to an unworthy rider either, so it's a matter of how well you can be friends, I'm guessing. Yeah I know how he did it, that was the reference I was trying to make Perhaps because Libris is the last pure GB-dragon, the Mechanists want it so they can use scales or bone sheddings or whatnots much like Word used a condensed black draconium lens, to alter other dragons back to a pure grey form. They'd have to find crystallized grey draconium, condense it, and then use a energy wave the same way Word did, or do like Artha and use gold to revert it, if it wasn't a permanent thing, like fusing them with black draconium so they'd die if there were any attempts to revert them. And what was mentioned in the show, I have a feeling it's the latter...  |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 28, 2014 12:46:04 GMT -5
My my my, what a heated topic the Mechanists have turned into~♥
taking all the facts into account, Ro is correct; it would definitely kill the GB-dragons to forcefully revert the grey draconium impurities, even with crysatal grey draconium, I don't think it would be doable.
Wasn't that the whole reason Riv got kicked out of the academy, because he was experimenting on safer ways to reverse the altered Draconiums without killing them!
All the same, as far as the Mechs ethics go, I'm not entirely convinced that they're 100% opportunists; Every crew has it's responsibilities: The Dragon Fish crew guards ancient light-blue coral gear, the Keepers maintain the secrets of their light-green draconium, The prophets stay in hiding so their dragon don't go red-draconium on the city, I don't see why the Mechs wouldn't have a duty to protect the GB-dragons, whether or not they make a little cash on the side while they do it is a little irrelevant.
I think the Mechs still have some sense of honor, even if it's only among themselves...
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 28, 2014 21:22:06 GMT -5
Also, you'll notice that the horn only calls Libris, it doesn't control him! You'd have to have academy training to do so, because he's an evolved dragon with incredible power. That's my point Why would a dragon owned by someone else follow another person just because that human has the training to do so? The dragon would think for itself too; even if someone had the appropriate training to control Libris, why would he/she accept another rider if he/she already had a rider? (Excluding extreme cases like how you pointed out Decepshun allowed DB to ride her). My my my, what a heated topic the Mechanists have turned into~♥ taking all the facts into account, Ro is correct; it would definitely kill the GB-dragons to forcefully revert the grey draconium impurities, even with crysatal grey draconium, I don't think it would be doable. Wasn't that the whole reason Riv got kicked out of the academy, because he was experimenting on safer ways to reverse the altered Draconiums without killing them! All the same, as far as the Mechs ethics go, I'm not entirely convinced that they're 100% opportunists; Every crew has it's responsibilities: The Dragon Fish crew guards ancient light-blue coral gear, the Keepers maintain the secrets of their light-green draconium, The prophets stay in hiding so their dragon don't go red-draconium on the city, I don't see why the Mechs wouldn't have a duty to protect the GB-dragons, whether or not they make a little cash on the side while they do it is a little irrelevant. I think the Mechs still have some sense of honor, even if it's only among themselves... I know... I love it! I'm learning so much  And grey draconium is my favourite of the lot~ That is true, but what if they took eggs from those impure grey dragons and then did the radiation thingy Word did but using grey draconium? When Word did it, the dragons hatched fine and whatnot. I'm sure some form of pure draconium can be made from something that Libris provides; I remember Word tricking Kawake in Misjudged by telling him he could make him new legs from pure grey draconium because he had found the old shedding grounds where grey-bone dragons would deposit their exobones. Of course that was a lie, but it gave great insight into the abilities of grey draconium. Maybe those bones can be crushed or melted down, concentrated in some way (distillation??) to form liquid or crystal draconium? And actually now that you mention those examples of other crews, perhaps the Mechs do have some duty to complete by protecting GB-dragons. You are right though in I do think they'd still use it to also make some cash on the side But perhaps they do have a greater purpose. I wish they would have been more of help during the original war though :/ Perhaps that's what the Mechs now want to change? Maybe I'm being too optimistic... (Also as a sidenote, because I heard it whilst re-watching Misjudged, while Connor makes no mention of being an official street racer during the series, Word does! Not specifically about the academy but he says he was a racer and was "kicked out"- whether that means out of the Priesthood or also being kicked from the Academy (which is extremely likely -__-) I'm not sure!) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 22:11:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Magna-Draconis said in the Q&A's on the old DB forum that Lebris made his namesake horn for the Dragon Booster during the original D-H War.... Please correct me if I'm wrong...  [Reply to your side note] Didn't "Mortis" say that Drakkus was an old Foe of his from the Elite class from nearly 30 years ago?..... I'd think Conner was in the Academy/Elite class at some point, especially because he'd need as much information on ancient dragon husbandry as possible if he was gonna bring back Beau...  You'd also think he'd have Elite Class experience if he gives supplementary training for Academy/Elite class individuals.... (thinks of Kadmyss from Episode 0) Again, correct me if I'm wrong... I'd like to think I'm not... |
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Post by Ro on Oct 29, 2014 1:11:14 GMT -5
Connor did go to the academy actually, and in the Q&A you learn that he teaches there as well! As for Word, he was kicked out of the academy for producing gear which was against the academy rules at the time. However, he probably made it far enough to learn how to evolve his dragon. You'll hear Connoe mention "When I was at the Academy..." back in the episode Word got zombiefied. As for Libris, he only follows those worthy, which means the training and understanding of his power. This means academy training, but not everyone will be worthy, or have the draconium influence to fully control him (like Rivitt does!). So, it's all a matter of whom he respects, and if they're worthy enough for him to let them on his back. Though, the only reason he listens to Beau is because Beau is the dragon of legend. 'Spechul case lolz' |
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 29, 2014 3:30:32 GMT -5
[Reply to your side note] Didn't "Mortis" say that Drakkus was an old Foe of his from the Elite class from nearly 30 years ago?..... I'd think Conner was in the Academy/Elite class at some point, especially because he'd need as much information on ancient dragon husbandry as possible if he was gonna bring back Beau... You'd also think he'd have Elite Class experience if he gives supplementary training for Academy/Elite class individuals.... (thinks of Kadmyss from Episode 0) Again, correct me if I'm wrong... I'd like to think I'm not... Actually that's a really good point. So that must mean Word at least made it to the Elite Class before being kicked out if the two warriors were foes on the track? Unless Drakkus just dropped in illegally, which seems like something he would do *needs to re-watch the series* As for Libris, he only follows those worthy, which means the training and understanding of his power. This means academy training, but not everyone will be worthy, or have the draconium influence to fully control him (like Rivitt does!). So, it's all a matter of whom he respects, and if they're worthy enough for him to let them on his back. So Rivett doesn't own Libris, but has enough training that Libris respects him enough to follow his commands and allow them to ride together? And considering the Mechs motives prettykitty and I were discussing before, it makes sense that Rivett work so hard to get the horn and make Libris 'his' dragon? |
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Post by Ro on Oct 29, 2014 4:52:47 GMT -5
Essentially, yeah. Though I have a feeling Libris wasn't as powerful when Rivitt got into the academy, and thus that's why Rivitt could work with him to get in.  |
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 29, 2014 5:36:25 GMT -5
Ohhh that Q&A thing you linked me too is amazing~ And I started with Dragonology as you recommended! I can't wait to integrate this stuff into the Wiki x___x Hmm so the Mechs weren't truly exploiting GB-dragons, just using already deposited stuff. Perhaps they did wish to tame them in order to protect them from hunts after all? Although it could quite easily be a ploy to stop others from using grey draconium in gear... I'M SO TORN ABOUT THE MECHS It says that the Mechs managed to tame one GB-dragon, though Rob doesn't specify if that one dragon is Libris (RRRRRR). And A.M. was spot on; the horn was given to the original DB to call the GB-dragons. This, plus during the Horn of L. episode Word has an ancient book which depicts drawings of Libris, makes me think that Libris isn't that one dragon tamed by the Mechs, but is one the Mechs strive to have join their crew, hence Rivett's efforts in retrieving the horn. That said, in the same episode Word says Libris is the last of the GB-dragons; either he doesn't know about the Mechs GB-dragon or Libris maybe was that tamed ancient dragon and was just passed down through the generations within the Mechs Crew? Because Rob doesn't say the Horn specifically calls Libris, he says it calls GB-dragons. In the show, it's shown to call Libris because it's the last GB-dragon... UNLESS the current Libris is named so after the ancient Libris that the horn is named after, much like Beau's naming. So the horn calls all GB-dragons, and inevitably calls this modern day Libris, who is the one tamed GB-dragon owned by the Mechs and belongs to Rivett, evolved by him during the Academy training. This Libris is the last GB-dragon because it's the only one the Mechs have tamed and therefore been able to protect? But if all this is true, how come Word never mentions that Libris is actually owned by someone and part of a crew; if Rivett raced and evolved Libris in the Academy, it would be known that he had a GB-dragon, unless he managed to hide Libris in some way, which if that were the case, then how does Word even know that this Libris or even a GB-dragon in general, still exists? Personally I'm inclined to think that Libris is an ancient dragon and isn't Rivett's dragon, considering the ancient background it has, but there are definitely strong arguments for both sides of this. |
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And grey draconium is my favourite of the lot~
You'd also think he'd have Elite Class experience if he gives supplementary training for Academy/Elite class individuals.... (thinks of Kadmyss from Episode 0) 
