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Post by Ro on Oct 24, 2014 20:49:40 GMT -5
Everyone is more then welcome to put their thoughts and theories here, but I think this can be a great point of discussion. :3
Pretty Kitty had said something about Nerd Corps running away with storm Hawks, without Story Hat working on it. (I could be wrong, and if I am I'm sorry.) This is actually untrue, Story Hat DID work on Storm Hawks. DB and SH were Story Hat's only two productions before Story Hat closed it's doors.
Though they legit couldn't get as much of a fanbase to watch DB, and this is the kicker, buy merch. DB was supposed to be a merch seller, but with the storyline and the nuances that the show had to offer, most people wanted to get involved with the plot instead of little kids wanting the cool action figures of the dragons they saw on TV. That and most of the merch was very poorly timed for release, also decreasing sales.
Rob actually wanted the show to continue, and the sad thing is no network wanted to pick it back up again. CBC was phasing into a more 2-4yo range for their kid's programming, and most other networks had already signed on for Storm Hawks, which too got cut after 56 episodes.
The deal with Disney, as far as I could tell, was purely for funding. They were ready to provide said funding should DB get more networks to sign on for another two seasons, which they couldn't. It was more of a "We'll hold onto this in case we're desperate" type thing, and that made Disney drop DB as an IP. With the IP dropped, this just kinda snowballed into a now relic.
Most of the time, DB will only pick up new watchers if a hardcore Nerd Corps fan wants to watch all of the Nerd Corps animations, as well as people reminiscing, with the final being someone who watched it because someone else was also watching it and they had taken over the only computer or something like that.
And now we're here. A small community who loves this show dearly, despite all the continuity errors in the animation itself, despite all the cheap gags, and despite the fact the only chance in hell we're ever going to see Dragon Booster picked up again is through a reboot. Which is the most plausible way any network would bother picking it up again.
So, what are your thoughts on why DB got dropped? Do you agree with mine, or do you disagree? Why do you disagree? How would you like to see DB picked up again? Would you like to see a reboot, or just DB:Academy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 22:37:06 GMT -5
I personally think there was an internal falling out of sorts. Disney wanted more control over DB, Kevin Mowrer said "No" and the big D said "Fine then, F** you!" and they pulled their funding.
Did you notice: Rob Travalino has his own company now but Kevin Mowrer is ker-plunkin' away on his own in close to obscurity. Speaking of Mr. Mowrer, didn't someone here say that HE was the first creator of DB and Mr. Travalino came later? Ergo, It was MOWRER'S idea first? hmm?..... Just my own two cents.
As depressing as it is that DB will not get finished and to think that DB had ANY connecting to the big "D" I feel it was probably for the better that the Show stopped when it did instead of dragging on into mediocrity.
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Post by Ro on Oct 24, 2014 23:35:15 GMT -5
Actually, Mowrer's has created his own company, and still does consultation I believe. Here's his other blog  And you're absolutely correct! Mowrer was the original creator of Dragon Booster, and here's his side of the story: It seems he invited Rob to join Story Hat, too! Rob didn't take away his glory, or at least mean to, though it seems like that's what had happened. Kevin Mowrer helped with Episode 0 - The Alchemist and even drew art for it as well. Though, I have to agree with you. I'm glad it faded instead of going on and on, though I would have liked to see it finished. Ah, well, I guess I can always hope for a reboot. One that's under a different contract, or crowdfunded. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 23:52:22 GMT -5
Crowd funded without the big "D" directly involved would be FREAKING AWESOME!!! I hear you. It would've been great if it was finished but if at the cost of the series getting dumb or more New-age than it already was then I'm happy with what we've got.  |
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Post by Ro on Oct 25, 2014 0:11:51 GMT -5
From the sounds of what I've heard on the other DB forum, it was pretty much going to stay the same and Academy was going to be only two seasons long. (13 episodes a season) So, it was gunna be great, but because it was so short is probably the reason why it didn't get picked up again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 0:57:18 GMT -5
Oooooh yeah, Definitely not enough monies to make it worth while. $$$
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Post by Ro on Oct 25, 2014 1:05:22 GMT -5
Also not long enough to make it stretch a year. The original series pushed that a bit too, but if they pushed it, they could have made it so there was a new episode ever two weeks, allowing it to stretch. I dunno why they didn't want the next series, it would have made sense. Perhaps they were scared of the show's name changing would scare off viewers, and wouldn't bring in new viewers. :/
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 25, 2014 11:46:56 GMT -5
I stand by my theory, so I think I'll stay out of this thread before I start preaching  |
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Oct 26, 2014 1:18:50 GMT -5
It's really interesting to read everyone's theories and opinions on this as I don't know much about the politics/people involved and whatnot. I love your first post yukishiroi, and I really agree with well everything you said. Likewise A.M. The Vet Girl, your initial response about the differences in paths the two writers took is definitely really interesting, and does suggest something deeper may have happened. Since finding out about DB's end, I still hold the same (basic) idea that the main cause of the show's demise was not enough networks expressing interesting in the show/buying more seasons, considering that massive petition was aimed at broadcasting networks rather than the actual producers of DB. If the public doesn't show interest in a product, said product will eventually die off. The problem is those networks aren't "the public"; we're the public, and we want more DB  Also, question- what is crowd funded? Is that kind of like a Kickstarter project where people donate and fundraise to raise money for the project? If so it's definitely something I've considered myself, thought I'm very unsure of just how much the production would actually cost. Looking at the Furox's website were they describe the behind the scenes production of it, it actually looks very intense. The only way we could really build it back up without a huge expense is finding fans of the show who have talents that can contribute to said production e.g. storyboard drawings, music & voice acting. Although, with all that said, I was taking a look at one of the links you posted in a different thread yukishiroi about Kevin's blog/website, and by the looks of it yeah he seems to be happy tinkering on his projects and art, and comes across as a down-to-earth person e.g. like one of us, despite being famous he doesn't have a massive extravagant website with his name and face plastered everywhere. We have this to our advantage, as well as considering he's the original creator of DB, it's quite possible he may be open to continue writing the series if he feels he has the time, or at least post the scripts of the episodes already written before DB fell apart. That way at least we still get to find out what happens even if it's not an actual TV show I can only hope that he feels as passionate about DB still as we do |
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Post by Ro on Oct 26, 2014 7:02:25 GMT -5
Also, question- what is crowd funded? Is that kind of like a Kickstarter project where people donate and fundraise to raise money for the project? That's exactly what crowdfunded means. However, there's many ways to go about this, and most of which are quite easy on the 'crowd's' pockets. This being enough funds to get a pilot episode (roughly 100k) and then month-by-month donations as well as advertisement revenue (If they choose to go with something like Netflix, it can be an even bigger thing). There's also the option of Patreon, which allows users to give to the creators however much they would like, on a monthly basis. One-click monthly support always sounds better then "Pay 1000$ and we'll give you a download of the episode or some shit like that". So, it could be entirely possible to get it back on air if we could come up with the funds ourselves. It's show the networks that there's many people who would love to see it air again, and are willing to pay for the products released for it. However, if Konami touches DB again I'm going to shoot them. I'll post the reasons in a different thread however. |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 26, 2014 21:55:28 GMT -5
If at was going to be crown-funded, probably the easiest (and possibly cheapest) way would be to go for flash animation rather than rendered 3D graphic animation, I don't know why, but I certainly wouldn't complain if DB went 2D, maybe that's just me though X3
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Post by Ro on Oct 27, 2014 1:25:32 GMT -5
If at was going to be crown-funded, probably the easiest (and possibly cheapest) way would be to go for flash animation rather than rendered 3D graphic animation, I don't know why, but I certainly wouldn't complain if DB went 2D, maybe that's just me though X3 Actually, that would mean they would have to hire a whole new studio to do the animation. And since Nerd Corps already has all the sets, character models, vector art, and textures paid for it actually might be even cheaper to go through them again, since all then they'd have to do is just re-work (by this I mean is port everything to Maya from Softimage, which Maya supports softimage file extensions so~) a new show according to the new script. That is if it's a re-boot, which would be more likely to get picked up by networks. That and since Maya can handle an even better lighting and rigging, along with even more stuff (Like locking something so it doesn't phase through another thing) then it would come out like Slugterra in quality. Which would be nice to see, some of the lighting and the like was fantastic already, and seeing an even higher quality to a more well-rounded script would be just-- Just beautiful. |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 27, 2014 12:15:57 GMT -5
But that IS assuming that NC kept all the sets 3D models, art, ect, which, for a show that was dropped, seems pretty unlikely to me :[
but even if it was cleaned up for a re-boot, that would be nIIiiiiice~♪ It's been almost 10 years, they have to re-boot it eventually, it's, like, an unwritten rule in the entertainment industry, either that, or we'll get an "ultra! epic! re-told like never before!!" live action movie, which to is "ehh, IDK".....
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Post by Ro on Oct 27, 2014 14:21:51 GMT -5
I highly doubt they'd get rid of the models, rigging, environments and vectors from their first award-winning show. It's probably backed up on an old hard drive somewhere as a memento for memories sake, or possibly as a sort of trophy (Because not every animation studio gets a gemini award for animation on it's first series, like c'mon [joke sarcasm, I promise]).
At least, I would hope they wouldn't get rid of it. That would suck, and it'd put a lot of hard work to the Recycle Bin. :<
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Post by prettykitty13 on Oct 27, 2014 16:10:31 GMT -5
If only one of us actually worked at NC or some other kinda animation company! We'd know if they still had the DB backed up or if we'd need to start fresh~~! The biggest problem with all of this is WE. JUST. DON'T. KNOW! GAHH!!!!!THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING!!  |
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