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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 7, 2014 14:13:45 GMT -5
Wasn't that technically unethical, locking him up on the track and leaving him for the future generation to take care of? They had a duty to protect the city and serve their people, and in essence they failed to do so. They didn't really stop the war, only delay it, by not destroying Armeggy when they should have. It can certainly be argued both ways though- that's what makes matters of morality so interesting and "grey", that's why I don't agree with the statement Connor made. Sometimes wrong and right can be easily determined, but many times it can't. The malleability of morality and perspectives in general is what essentially allows us to be empathetic towards others.
Hmm, what if there is only one way to that end? The only way they're ever really going to stop the war is by getting rid of Armeggy- look what happened the last time they didn't kill him. You don't think being able to end a war by removing the person responsible justifies removing said person? What justifies removing that person then- nothing. So the war will continue...
I'm a firm believer in having to sometimes do small evil for the greater good. And the Mech's theme of 'not all in life is black and white- there is much grey' 
Also as a side-comment; doesn't that make them worse for actually knowing that what they were doing is wrong and doing it anyway?? That's way worse than someone who mistakenly thought what they were doing was for a greater good, because they can say at least they had good intentions.I don't wish to argue, but I do like to challenge my own beliefs by exploring those of others and I'm most curious about you and your sister's views on this~ Do you feel the show promotes ideals that it shouldn't?Oh I know, I do sometimes too. I agree that sometimes it works very well in stories, and it's painfully obvious when a writer should have done so but didn't. I just have my doubts if it can be done in a tasteful manner in DB:A. Also, I'm very attached to Moordy T__T I wouldn't be too heart broken to see Artha or any of the Penn Racing crew go for that matter haha, but again, it needs to be used carefully. Just like you have moments where a main gets into a hairy situation and people get let down when they're magically rescued as all mains are, it's also really clichéd to have a big hero die in a dramatic finale.
(I love all this talks of ethics, right and wrongs, and you're trying to kill off characters here  )(color-coding just works for me) Purple
First off: I think the whole idea of locking Armeggy in the shadow track was that nobody was going to let him out! Yes, I do agree with Sis that when there is a nonredeemable evil, drastic measures (like killing) must be taken, this is not to say I agree with killing in general, but those were really the only options the original SB had; Kill him? or spare his life but imprison him for all eternity? I think the SB was being rather merciful (albeit foolishly) with Armeggy in refusing to kill him, and I think that's very admirable of him.
You have to remember (I'm gonna veer a little off topic here); One person killing another is NOT. NOTHING. I've read articles and have heard stories about things like this (mostly veteran, or Psychopathic murderer stories) and what I have learned is; Killing another human being, not only is the the most difficult thing to make yourself do (unless you're a psycho), but after the fact, you are a different person, you don't see or value human life the same way ever again. That's why veterans coming home from warfare per say, are so...what's the word? "changed?" sometimes, that's why. They have killed, and have seen killing and they can never walk away from something like that, to some extent, I think it's a real trauma.
And if killing Armeggy really is going to be only way to stop him? then you have to ask the question: Who? among the 5 boosters, has what it takes, to make that kind of decision..?
Speaking of Armeggy! that's probably why he had no problem trying to kill Artha in episode:Battle For The Ages...He's killed before..
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To be honest, I would find DB to be much more enjoyable if they'd have backed off with all the messages they were trying to promote, I mean, yeah, it's a kids show, but cheese Luise! all the "togetherness" gets a little old after a while...
Over all, I do very much enjoy what a sordid story DB can be at times; The mechanists are all about "grey area" the Paynns are all about "Out of chaos comes order" regardless of the fact that they start the chaos, and the Penns are all about "find your inner power". It makes for good drama, but I would never use it as an educational medium, as none of these mantra apply to my life in particular.
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Oh I agree comptley! Killing off characters (especially mains) should be used very carefully, and only under the right circumstances! example: Parm as the Power Booster could appropriately be killed/maimed while protecting, say, Lance as the Energy Booster from Armegy if/and/or/when he finally got the League of Eight revived.
but hey, c'mon, somebodies gonna have to die eventually in this show...
OKAY! pop quiz question: do you agree that Word may have sorta unofficially adopted Cain after his father died? I mean, Word must hold some kinda approval with Moordryd hanging out with him right?
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 8, 2014 4:50:30 GMT -5
Haha that's alright, I like it I just answer in order of paragraphs cuz I'm lazy like that~ Hmm perhaps I'm too cruel hearted, but I believe the original SB is less admirable for not sacrificing his own morals/beliefs for the safety and protection of others. Kinda like the idea of not really doing something because it's right or wrong, but because it has to be done. Oh, I'm not saying that killing a person is nothing; either way it has an impact on a person indeed. However, research does show that the impacts are different if a person felt compelled to kill because they were doing it for a greater good as opposed to simply killing or feeling like they were forced to kill for not a good-enough reason. You'll find those who joined the army with strong ethics about killing to protect their country will still be effected, but show a much smaller percentage of people that are affected by PTSD than those who didn't have a strong ethic regarding kill-to-protect. Mmm that's fair enough! And I definitely agree with the show being too cheesy at times It would be nice if the show was revived, to target it to the now-older fans and make it less kiddy/cheesy. Yeeeeah but you kinda expect mains to play a dramatic role- either they live or die as heroes. It make for something more interesting if one of their friends died trying to save them, like Cain or Spratt (let's not get into the politics of children dying and just set that aside....). It kinda needs to be someone you don't expect, unless you've built up enough of a character that people will still tear up if they did something redeeming despite being considered cheesy e.g. Word dying to save Moordryd's life. Though that said, the maiming thing can work too, leaving one of them paralysed or something like Kawake. Hmmmm I hadn't thought about that. Possibly. But I think Moordryd adopted Cain more than Word did, if that even makes sense o___o Cain left his family to join follow Moordryd and join his crew (NAAAWWWW THOSE TWO <3), and Word doesn't really mention much of Cain although he doesn't really show affection to Moordryd either so we're back to the start... |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 8, 2014 13:39:33 GMT -5
Hmm perhaps I'm too cruel hearted, but I believe the original SB is less admirable for not sacrificing his own morals/beliefs for the safety and protection of others. Kinda like the idea of not really doing something because it's right or wrong, but because it has to be done. Oh, I'm not saying that killing a person is nothing; either way it has an impact on a person indeed. However, research does show that the impacts are different if a person felt compelled to kill because they were doing it for a greater good as opposed to simply killing or feeling like they were forced to kill for not a good-enough reason. You'll find those who joined the army with strong ethics about killing to protect their country will still be effected, but show a much smaller percentage of people that are affected by PTSD than those who didn't have a strong ethic regarding kill-to-protect.Mmm that's fair enough! And I definitely agree with the show being too cheesy at times It would be nice if the show was revived, to target it to the now-older fans and make it less kiddy/cheesy.
Yeeeeah but you kinda expect mains to play a dramatic role- either they live or die as heroes. It make for something more interesting if one of their friends died trying to save them, like Cain or Spratt (let's not get into the politics of children dying and just set that aside....). It kinda needs to be someone you don't expect, unless you've built up enough of a character that people will still tear up if they did something redeeming despite being considered cheesy e.g. Word dying to save Moordryd's life. Though that said, the maiming thing can work too, leaving one of them paralysed or something like Kawake.
Hmmmm I hadn't thought about that. Possibly. But I think Moordryd adopted Cain more than Word did, if that even makes sense o___o Cain left his family to join follow Moordryd and join his crew (NAAAWWWW THOSE TWO <3), and Word doesn't really mention much of Cain although he doesn't really show affection to Moordryd either so we're back to the start... I kinda only have one last thing to say about this whole "morality & Is-it-okay-to-kill" stuff: You do realize all these kids are barely old enough to drive a car right? I'm not entirely sure it's appropriate to talk about how much a bunch of middle teenagers need to kill Armeggy.... Green NOW WE'RE TALKN'
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I'm running out of gifs! You can kill Moordyd, You can kill Word, hell, you can kill Conner (okay, maybe not Conner), but don't TOUCH Cain
I don't think I could handle that...but It would coincide with how much writers love to kill off a fandoms favorite character, not necessarily the hero, just the hero's best friend
oh...man...what if that happens? yes it'd be awesomely dramatic & would definitly suck you into the story, but----GAAAHH!! NOT THA COOKIE MAN!! our only consolation would be maiming and not flat out death, but I doubt it T___T
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Yeeeah, Cain & Moordryd are bros <3
Does that mean Cain could be an honorary Paynn?
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 11, 2014 5:19:38 GMT -5
Red thing: Hmm that's actually a good point although I think I had self-assumed that when that time came, they'd be older and Academy-trained and all that bull. But yeah, that would still be quite young o___o Purple: Hehe seeeeee, that's how I felt when you said they should get rid of Moordryd Let's agree that maiming and not dying would be a good alternative and if used correctly, could really make the show stand out! Yellow: Haha HELL YES! Cain is basically already the brother Moordy never had. I don't know why but I feel like this song definitely suits Cain: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqrAfuuha8 He would be the dancing dog with Moordy standing there all 'NOPE.' |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 11, 2014 10:09:47 GMT -5
MAN I am LOVEN' this topic!! (oh man, that video! I can so totally see Cain being an adorable dorkazoid dancing to that XDDD)
yes, I think we can all agree; no killing, but maiming is okay (but I don't wanna see Cain in a wheelchair :C)
Y'know? something I noticed: I was doing edits for episode 5: fanning the flames, I couldn't help but take notice of 2 things: Word didn't want Moordy going the scale citadel because he told him it was too dangerous (omg he does care)
2. and I'm just being funny: the way Word pulls that display orb to him, means that's our first look at his use of mag-pull, or Word Paynn's a dark lord of the sith, either way, I thought I'd point those out.
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 13, 2014 4:31:46 GMT -5
Ooh I'll have to pay attention for those scenes when I re-watch the series after exams. Though I'm not currently uploading episodes, I'm going through converting while studying so when I'm done, uploads should come fast  They're in a format so you can full screen it and it's not blurry anymore w00t. Oh Word, why you must you be such a hard case?  Your son just wants a huuuuuug~ (I can't imagine Word hugging someone... let alone having a wife o__0) |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 13, 2014 12:49:19 GMT -5
Soooooo, should I wait until you've got those files uploaded to insert video to the episode summaries on the wiki? or is putting in what I can find ok for now?
Actually, I honestly love what a complex character Word is: from giving you goosebumps with fear, making you drool when he's Drakkus, to making you laugh your socks off when he's being over the top like in episode: Slithercorps, good gosh! I nearly died at Words shenanigans, but I must admit, he's got some of the best toys~♥
okay okay, I HAVE to ask, who wears it better? Shadow Booster or Drakkus?
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 15, 2014 3:23:33 GMT -5
Yeah I would wait to be honest, as I'd prefer to use my links so I know the videos aren't going to randomly disappear off the Wiki for whatever reason. Plus I can be assured that they're entire and of good quality That's very true, it would be nice to see other characters get such complex developments later on! To be honest, I like Drakkus's armour more than the SB's; that head-wavy thing SB has is just weird in my opinion o__0 They totally could have made him look more evil, but I guess the SB isn't supposed to be evil but ya know, still would have been cool >__< |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 15, 2014 11:31:31 GMT -5
Yeha, I don't get the macaroni feather thing either, but at the same time, I think he'd look a little....odd with out it. But what I think is cool, is that SB & DB's costumes have some similarities. 1 two tone: Purple on the torso, grey on the legs for SB & Dark Blue torso, Gold legs for DB. 2.F-ing big helmet spoilers. I guess since I'm doing research for the other boosters, I'm coming across more stuff like this |
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 16, 2014 21:21:13 GMT -5
He would look odd but I think they could have designed something better in it's place, kinda like how the DB's helmet is shaped like a dragon and whatnot. I'm not surprised the armour types have similarities- I would be surprised if they didn't Considering they were created at the around the same time for very similar purposes. I want Moordryd and Word to reveal their secret identities to each other at some point T___T I hate watching them face off at times, knowing how much Word cares for his son (deeeeeeeeep down). |
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 17, 2014 13:20:50 GMT -5
I think the only way Word would ever reveal himself to Moordryd, or vise-versa would be if something BIG happened: they had a fallout and wanted to make amends, either Moordy got injured and had to change back for treatment, or maybe Word, being the sneaky snoop he is, secretly finds out on his own and just tucks it in his back pocket until something like what i described previously happens.
but yeah, I just think that was kinda....idk mean of Word when he was Drakkus in episode :return Of Drakkus, he was trying to bloody kill Mordryd while he was trying to get to the tower, I'm just like "uh..wow. some dad you are trying to off your only child" 0^0
they need family counseling rofl
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 14:59:38 GMT -5
I don't think Drakkus knew that it was Moordryd climbing up the shadow Tower.... but if he did end up hurting Moordryd badly in that encounter and Finding out after the fact.... 0___0" Let's just imaging what would happen, shall we... >:3
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 17, 2014 19:20:06 GMT -5
I'm thinking Word's reaction would be a little like...  oh man, please tell me I'm not the only one thinking a Drakkus vs Shadow Booster would be the most awesomest parent/child fight since this?   DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 18, 2014 3:40:20 GMT -5
Haha omg it would definitely make for an amazing fight!! This needs to happen. OH GOD what if they're in the final moments of battle and Word shoots a mean mag-blast and hits SB so hard, the amulet comes off the gauntlet- suddenly it's his seriously injured son lying there, not the SB. THE FEELS MAN. But when the gang(s?) first encounter Drakkus, Drakkus is well aware that Moordryd is one of the people he's attacking- he went down there as Drakkus to investigate what Moordryd was up to in the first place. Word must have known there was something in the Shadow Tower and didn't want Moordy getting involved, so used the attacking thing to drive both him and DB away from the place. Though he never really hurt Moordy in the end technically Only DB. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:15:57 GMT -5
Speaking of all this Drakkus stuff, Who agrees that "The Return of Drakkus part 2" was one of the BEST episodes of Dragon Booster?
The feels when Lance hugs his dad for the first time in so long was just heartwarming... but Matt Hill kinda killed his line... >_>
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They're in a format so you can full screen it and it's not blurry anymore w00t.
Your son just wants a huuuuuug~ (I can't imagine Word hugging someone... let alone having a wife o__0)
