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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 1, 2014 1:49:24 GMT -5
A thread solely for the discussion of the 3 Paynns! Honestly, after reading some of the character backstory things from the Magna Draconis link Ro gave me (has been added to the main table!), I was moved by the immense backstory Word especially has, though I've also always had deep respect for Moordryd's character for the lovely evolution we see him go through in the show. I just wish Word's backstory was more elaborated on in the series, rather than just that one mention of Zulay (and again in the Alchemist episode though). I re-watched Pride of the Hero specifically see Moordryd's part in it and I admit I almooooost shed a tear seeing his spirit crack through the possession of the Furox's spirit like that. That, and his hung-up face at the end when he realised there were people out there who saw good in him, and the ashamed look of what he had just done. If only he would realise that the original SB was a hero too!! (Naturally Armeggy would forget to tell him it was the SB who trapped him in the Shadow Track!) Also right at the end of the last episode, when Sentrus says she will allow both in, I noticed that Word was angry despite his son getting in too- he was more annoyed that he couldn't say 'Look Moordryd IS better', whereas Moordryd welcomed Artha as a worthy adversary instead of reacting in the same way his father did as he would have in the past. Possible start of a friendship there too?! For the whole show, Word is portrayed as this big bad stereotypical "rule the world" evil guy- but when his motivations were discussed by Rob T. ... Wow. If you really look at it his way, it's just another way someone's trying to 'stop' the war. Much like the Academy and Priesthood are at odds; the Academy believes they need to prevent a war and the Priesthood is preparing itself for a war, it just contrasts so well with Word and Connor's motivations... And suddenly Word doesn't seem that bad anymore, just misguided. You can suddenly see the play of morality again with right or wrong simply being a viewpoint. (Should elaborate for those who cbf reading/haven't read the MD- Word believes a war is inevitable so we wishes to start it and if he can start it, he can control it- to both mitigate it's effects and profit along the way). ZULAY Despite the very mentions she had, I suddenly empathise with her and can see why she would have stuck by Word's side as well as eventually being driven away, just as Moordryd is. God it makes me sad every time I'm reminded of how much Word misses her, and that most of what he's doing is him still crazy with grief. And despite not showing it... he does care about Moordryd as he promised Zulay he would look after their son T_____________T THE FEELS. Feel those feels and listen to this song (starts properly at 1min) THEN TELL ME YOUR HEART DOESN'T ACHE! </heart pouring> Your thoughts?~
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 1, 2014 13:00:46 GMT -5
*listens to the song* It reminds me of the episode Faster Than Fear. ""Is it true the last person to escape the shadow track was...my mother?""~Moordryd *word turns around* "It is true...Zulay was fearless...I miss her..."~Word And then he snaps back into reality cause he realized his son was right there them. feelz.On a side note; I'm planning to do some fanart of what unseen characters like Zulay would've looked like. (Am I the only one who think Moordy got all his looks from daddy?) But I have to agree, it would be really nice if there was some real detail on Zulay's interaction relationship with Word & how she died; after I read The Alchemist, it really made me think: If Artha & Moordryd are technically the same age, (or at least were born in the same year) and in the timeline for The Alchemist; Artha was still in the oven while Word & Abyl talked about Zulay in the past tense......so does That mean that Moordryd was just an infant when Zulay got killed?!?!?
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 2, 2014 0:27:40 GMT -5
Moordryd's a year older than Artha, so he must have been almost a year old when Zulay died, as she died before the events of the Alchemist episode but close enough to the episode's events that Abyll refers to him as still grieving, and considering that Artha was born at the end of the Alchemist. Apparently she died after testing experimental Black Overload Pods that Word had designed- she tested them because she didn't like Word's employees being put at potential risk. Also, the incident/cause of her death apparently has something to do with his hand claw thing whiiiiich I think maybe the Dragon Priests had something to do with??? It looks like it's gold draconium, and it would have been to repair his hand + the Dragon Priests repaired Connor's broken leg with gold draconium.... maybe? Seems very unlikely though. Zulay was also of black draconium, and she and Word met while they were racing- and got married pretty early, something like 21 I read I think? This was when Word had formed and lead the Dragon Eyes too. And Decepshun was originally Zulay's dragon according to Rob- was Decepshun's age ever confirmed?? Maybe Zulay raced with Decepshun, or she just had Decepshun when she young???
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 2, 2014 13:16:34 GMT -5
Ya'know that would make sense, I mean think: Let's say Moordryd was born at the beginning of the year & Artha near the end, they would technically be the same age, but they're like 11 months apart, making Moordryd the older one...that makes more sense (Since I have two brothers like that)
But I don't think the DP's would have anything to do with Wordy's artificial fingers; After the falling out he had with the priesthood, I doubt they would want anything to do with each other, and besides; If Word got into the academy, he would have had access to ancient knowledge allowing him to have the ability to fix his hand the way he did. In which case, he probably made those finger from a mixture of gold/grey draconium, since they are both used in the field of Reconstruction (like with Kawake)
Oh, I thought Word was just a member of the DE's, wasn't Zulay the leader? I could swear I heard it mentioned somewhere that Moordryd sorta inherited the the DE's from his mother.
I am thoroughly convinced that Decepshun is much older than Moordryd & that she was, in fact, Zulay's old quite possibly racing)dragon; I know that there are racers with an opposite gender dragon, but wouldn't that make so much sense for Moordryd, a male, to have a female dragon?? because along with inheriting the Dragon eyes, he also inherited his mother's dragon. (GAHH, THE FEELS ARE BACK T^T)
I do have one big question about Drakkus though: I'm convinced that Word made that armor.
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 2, 2014 20:53:10 GMT -5
Yeah I personally don't think they do either, but I just thought I would put the possibility out there Nope, Word was the leader and he passed the crew down to Moordryd: I just realised after re-reading the answer given about Moordryd, his mother was never actually confirmed as dead, Rob says she tested some black gear and vanished!! What if Zulay was intended to make a come-back later in the Academy series?!? It's not that uncommon I don't think, considering Wulph's dragon Hyve is female too? I admit having opposite gender rider-dragons is rare though as there are only 3 confirmed characters who do so (Kitt, Moordryd and Wulph). I don't think Decepshun would have been Zulay's old racing dragon as she would have shown more skill on the tracks if she was (being a Psi-class after all). She was only ever shown to pull off tricks greater than Moordryd's skill level after absorbing the Vysox bone-mark. Maybe Zulay bred or picked out Decepshun especially for Moordryd before she vanished? I'm certain in one of the episodes, Mortis mentions that the armour Word wears belonged to ancient warrior from the past. Though I wouldn't put something like this past Word's skills either; when he got hold of DB, he points out the armour was "forged in the old ways", so he must know something...?
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 2, 2014 22:48:02 GMT -5
Yeah I personally don't think they do either, but I just thought I would put the possibility out there Nope, Word was the leader and he passed the crew down to Moordryd: I just realised after re-reading the answer given about Moordryd, his mother was never actually confirmed as dead, Rob says she tested some black gear and vanished!! What if Zulay was intended to make a come-back later in the Academy series?!?It's not that uncommon I don't think, considering Wulph's dragon Hyve is female too? I admit having opposite gender rider-dragons is rare though as there are only 3 confirmed characters who do so (Kitt, Moordryd and Wulph). I don't think Decepshun would have been Zulay's old racing dragon as she would have shown more skill on the tracks if she was (being a Psi-class after all). She was only ever shown to pull off tricks greater than Moordryd's skill level after absorbing the Vysox bone-mark. Maybe Zulay bred or picked out Decepshun especially for Moordryd before she vanished? I'm certain in one of the episodes, Mortis mentions that the armour Word wears belonged to ancient warrior from the past. Though I wouldn't put something like this past Word's skills either; when he got hold of DB, he points out the armour was "forged in the old ways", so he must know something...? Blue I'm guessing you're quoting the Magna Draconis, in which case, I can't help but feel that's a bit of a bummer.... GreenOh my gosh! You're right!! I REMEMBER READING THAT NOW!! WHAT IF THERE'S A CHANCE SHE'S NOT DEAD? ? this MUST HAPPEN!!!!(besides, I wanna know what Zulay looked like T_T) Pink Aaaawww, I thought he made it, after all, how else could it fit his sweet tush him so well??
But Why the magna draconis did word have so little to do with Moordryd's childhood, leaving him to be raised by nanny dragons? If Moordryd was all he had left of his wife, don't you think he'd have a more personal/vested interest in his son's life? instead; All Word's ever done to Moordryd is berate & push him to get to academy, rarley ever praising him except for in Faster Than Fear when Word actually complimented Moordryd's bravery being like his mothers, but even then, it wasn't said to Moordryd's face. I mean, yeah, he's been keeping his promise to Zulay to look after his son, but to me, his daddy-score-card is pretty low....
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 3, 2014 21:42:59 GMT -5
Oops yeah I should have said that Imagine what Word might become if she returned? Suddenly all the hate and grief he had held onto for so long would dissipate... maybe he would stop trying to start a war and join in the fight to defeat Armeggy once and for all?? He's just doing what he thinks is best for his son's future; his original plans included starting a new war and having Moordryd lead it, hopefully using the dragon of legend. He's shaping the world in the best way he thinks he can so that Moordryd has a good future. It's kinda like the typical story of a father always being away from home and hard at work in order to provide his child(ren) with the most money he can so that they can at least live well. Yes, their father is never around, but because of that they can be well off. I assume as well that he never compliments Moordryd to his face, and instead always complaining to his face, because he's portrayed as one of those authoritarian type parents who believe that complaints or harsh words will drive their children to strive for better (despite modern psychology throwing all that out the window and showing its very detrimental for children). Think of it as like the child who always gets As in school but their parent constantly points out that it's not an A+. The parent, deep down is probably very proud of their child, but says the opposite out loud in order to avoid having their child get complacent and have them strive for better marks. I kinda relate to Moordryd a lot on this area as I had a parent like that- you grow to hate the people around you until you finally find that one person who says they believe in you, or that the things you've done really are great achievements. I think that's why I got all teary when Artha says all that stuff at Moordryd when he's under the Furox's influence and then he slowly snaps out of it.
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 4, 2014 0:01:57 GMT -5
Imagine what Word might become if she returned? Suddenly all the hate and grief he had held onto for so long would dissipate... maybe he would stop trying to start a war and join in the fight to defeat Armeggy once and for all??He's just doing what he thinks is best for his son's future; his original plans included starting a new war and having Moordryd lead it, hopefully using the dragon of legend. He's shaping the world in the best way he thinks he can so that Moordryd has a good future. It's kinda like the typical story of a father always being away from home and hard at work in order to provide his child(ren) with the most money he can so that they can at least live well. Yes, their father is never around, but because of that they can be well off. I assume as well that he never compliments Moordryd to his face, and instead always complaining to his face, because he's portrayed as one of those authoritarian type parents who believe that complaints or harsh words will drive their children to strive for better (despite modern psychology throwing all that out the window and showing its very detrimental for children). Think of it as like the child who always gets As in school but their parent constantly points out that it's not an A+. The parent, deep down is probably very proud of their child, but says the opposite out loud in order to avoid having their child get complacent and have them strive for better marks. I kinda relate to Moordryd a lot on this area as I had a parent like that- you grow to hate the people around you until you finally find that one person who says they believe in you, or that the things you've done really are great achievements. I think that's why I got all teary when Artha says all that stuff at Moordryd when he's under the Furox's influence and then he slowly snaps out of it. Blue Sweet tap-dancing toast that would be the sickest thing ever! Either that, or it would bork Word & complete his psychosis about taking over the world because of his fears about losing her again (i.e control of things he can't stop)
Orange I know, but imagine this scenario from Moordryd's end: Little kid Moordy comes up to daddy holding his arms out, evey time he does this, Word gives him a new toy & sends him on his way, this happens over & over, with Word failing to realize that the whole time, all that little kid wants is his dad, not all the toys, gizmo's & gadgets, he just wants a father. (Q_Q ACK, the feels are back!!) I think that's why Moordryd treasures (albeit misuses at times) Cain so much, cause Cain has always stuck by him through think & thin, just like a brother, certainly the kinda relationship he never got out of his own father...
Green I do agree; that is something a LOT of people can relate to (myself included) Which, to me, makes Moordryd all that much more of an attractive character (from a developmental point of course) everything he goes through just to try and make his father happy with him just draws you in to his character AND the show as a whole even more!
*EXHALES* Would I be a bad person if I said I think Moordryd should die somewhere near the end of DB (if there ever was an ending) to make Word finnaly realize what he had and completely drive him off the deep end and somehow through is insurmountable rage, grief & anger, manages to help defeat Armeggy just in time to hear Moordryd's final words as he dies a hero? (Yeeeeah, as far as writing goes, I prefer to make people cry, maybe that's just me)
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 4, 2014 22:29:45 GMT -5
After more thought, I don't think it would deter him from starting a new war, as that was his intention even before he met Zulay. But considering that as Drakkus, he has fought Armeggy before, perhaps having Zulay at his side again would give him more compassion than he has now. Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you in that Word's not really doing the right thing. I just wanted to point out Word's (probably) view on it, and what was driving his behaviour in the first place. When it comes down to it, something being right or wrong, good or evil is always dependent on the person's viewpoint. It's one of my more favourite ideas to explore when thinking about life NOT MOORDY Maybe having him die is a bit harsh, but perhaps Moordy actually thwarting one of Word's plans with Word actually knowing this time might shake things up for him. Also telling his own father he wants nothing to do with him after joining the Academy would likely hit him hard too Oooor if Zulay returns, I can imagine Moordy would confide much in her and always turn to her for support, which would undoubtedly upset Word too.
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 4, 2014 23:57:57 GMT -5
After more thought, I don't think it would deter him from starting a new war, as that was his intention even before he met Zulay. But considering that as Drakkus, he has fought Armeggy before, perhaps having Zulay at his side again would give him more compassion than he has now. Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you in that Word's not really doing the right thing. I just wanted to point out Word's (probably) view on it, and what was driving his behaviour in the first place. When it comes down to it, something being right or wrong, good or evil is always dependent on the person's viewpoint. It's one of my more favourite ideas to explore when thinking about life NOT MOORDY Maybe having him die is a bit harsh, but perhaps Moordy actually thwarting one of Word's plans with Word actually knowing this time might shake things up for him. Also telling his own father he wants nothing to do with him after joining the Academy would likely hit him hard too Oooor if Zulay returns, I can imagine Moordy would confide much in her and always turn to her for support, which would undoubtedly upset Word too. I think if Zulay came back, she wouldn't be on Word's side anymore, Like you say in the 3rd paragraph, IF IF IF she came back, it would definitely be to help Mooryrd somehow, i mean, Artha's got Connor for a Dragon Booster teacher, but after the falling out Moordryd had With Armeggy (and probably one he would have with daddy) the Shadow Booster would need SOMEBODY to act as a guide for him,so who else could be a better candidate than his own mother? Which leads to the proposal: If Zulay's not dead, could that mean that more so than just "vanishing" she went into hiding per say? Maybe she even has some connection to a DP order (but that's pretty unlikely) No as far as dad's go, I'd give Word maybe a C-, but with the whole perspective thing?... Even If you delude yourself into thinking what your doing is right, if it's ethically/moraly wrong, it's still wrong, no matter who's perspective we're talking about. Okay, maybe not Moordy would be the one to kick it, but by the end of the show, I'd love it if Artha said something like this. Who votes for Kit & Lance? (ACK NO, I LOVE CONNOR JR.)
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 6, 2014 4:13:19 GMT -5
((So many quotes x____x)) I think if Zulay came back, she wouldn't be on Word's side anymore, Like you say in the 3rd paragraph, IF IF IF she came back, it would definitely be to help Mooryrd somehow, i mean, Artha's got Connor for a Dragon Booster teacher, but after the falling out Moordryd had With Armeggy (and probably one he would have with daddy) the Shadow Booster would need SOMEBODY to act as a guide for him,so who else could be a better candidate than his own mother? Which leads to the proposal: If Zulay's not dead, could that mean that more so than just "vanishing" she went into hiding per say? Maybe she even has some connection to a DP order (but that's pretty unlikely) I highly doubt she would abandon Word altogether like that, considering when they first got together she was completely on board with the idea of starting a war. It wasn't until after Moordryd was born that she began to have her doubts. I still think she would stand by Word's side, but act as a more positive influence on him and slowly change his attitudes a little. And hopefully put in some more quality time with Moordy~ In terms of the mentor thing you brought up, I think if anything, Zulay's influence over Word will push Word into a closer relationship with Moordy, and hopefully he will become his mentor instead (as well as his mother of course). I highly doubt the accident was an excuse for her to go into hiding as judging by the description from Rob, it sounded like there were witnesses (considering the same accident did something to Word's hand too). Would be cool if she had pulled a Mortis though, and then turn up as a member of the Black Draconium Dragon Priests No as far as dad's go, I'd give Word maybe a C-, but with the whole perspective thing?... Even If you delude yourself into thinking what your doing is right, if it's ethically/moraly wrong, it's still wrong, no matter who's perspective we're talking about. Ah but is killing Armeggy ethical? It's unethical to kill anyone. Breaking into the Academy is unethical (and a crime!), but it was to save a person, which is an ethical thing to do... But it was to save Word Paynn; is that really ethical?? Even Rob has referred to Word many times as the modern-day Armeggy. What if Connor's way, despite all their trying, still ends up having a war? Suddenly Word's plan isn't all that unethical- to have started an inevitable war in a closed and controlled condition for the least amount of damage caused. Okay, maybe not Moordy would be the one to kick it, but by the end of the show, I'd love it if Artha said something like this. Who votes for Kit & Lance? (ACK NO, I LOVE CONNOR JR.) Nuuu, no killing main characters D:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 11:41:11 GMT -5
Ah but is killing Armeggy ethical? It's unethical to kill anyone. Breaking into the Academy is unethical (and a crime!), but it was to save a person, which is an ethical thing to do... But it was to save Word Paynn; is that really ethical?? Even Rob has referred to Word many times as the modern-day Armeggy. But THAT'S Why he was locked in the Shadow track.... seems even back then they refused to do the morally wrong thing and kill him even if it would've been for the better to rid the world of such an evil!.... sound's to me like history is gonna repeat itself... Sadly, Kitty and I are very strong believers in "the ends DON'T justify the means".... At least the nice things about our main characters is that they acknowledge they're doing the wrong things Like sneaking into the Academy. They could easily dilute themselves into thinking, "We're doing this for "what-ever-reason" so it's okay." but No, they don't! They KNOW it's wrong to sneak in and normally wouldn't do because they know so. That's probably the thing I like best. Just the fact they know it's wrong is better than some people... As far as the Paynn chat, I'm just having more fun reading you two playing forum tennis...
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Post by prettykitty13 on Nov 6, 2014 11:54:46 GMT -5
((So many quotes x____x)) I highly doubt she would abandon Word altogether like that, considering when they first got together she was completely on board with the idea of starting a war. It wasn't until after Moordryd was born that she began to have her doubts. I still think she would stand by Word's side, but act as a more positive influence on him and slowly change his attitudes a little. And hopefully put in some more quality time with Moordy~ In terms of the mentor thing you brought up, I think if anything, Zulay's influence over Word will push Word into a closer relationship with Moordy, and hopefully he will become his mentor instead (as well as his mother of course). I highly doubt the accident was an excuse for her to go into hiding as judging by the description from Rob, it sounded like there were witnesses (considering the same accident did something to Word's hand too). Would be cool if she had pulled a Mortis though, and then turn up as a member of the Black Draconium Dragon Priests You mean like this? That'd be so sick I kinda agree, yet disagree; I would think that a mother's son takes priority above all else, yes, she still loves Word very much, but as you said, she wanted a better (more safe) life for Moordryd, and if that meant having to go against Word, then that's what she had to do (Moms are a little odd like that). I think if Zulay returned, she'd probably be a lot more careful when speaking with Word, I mean, it's not like she could go "Hi Honey, I'm home! Please forget about this whole war thing" If she was going to turn Word around for the better, she'd have to take things in baby steps, gentle suggestions; seeing as Word would be, what's the word "Fragile?" after seeing his assumed dead wife after 16+ years. And this just goes to show just how many mixed messages are in this show...I'd rather not get into an argument about that... How about badly maimed? can we agree on that? Sorry, I'm slightly a bad person that way, I just think it really adds to the drama of a series when someone dies or is irreversibly injured, but that's just me....that and I write pretty gritty stories in my spare time.
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Post by Bluesonic1 on Nov 7, 2014 5:35:19 GMT -5
But THAT'S Why he was locked in the Shadow track.... seems even back then they refused to do the morally wrong thing and kill him even if it would've been for the better to rid the world of such an evil!.... sound's to me like history is gonna repeat itself... Sadly, Kitty and I are very strong believers in "the ends DON'T justify the means".... At least the nice things about our main characters is that they acknowledge they're doing the wrong things Like sneaking into the Academy. They could easily dilute themselves into thinking, "We're doing this for "what-ever-reason" so it's okay." but No, they don't! They KNOW it's wrong to sneak in and normally wouldn't do because they know so. That's probably the thing I like best. Just the fact they know it's wrong is better than some people... As far as the Paynn chat, I'm just having more fun reading you two playing forum tennis... Wasn't that technically unethical, locking him up on the track and leaving him for the future generation to take care of? They had a duty to protect the city and serve their people, and in essence they failed to do so. They didn't really stop the war, only delay it, by not destroying Armeggy when they should have. It can certainly be argued both ways though- that's what makes matters of morality so interesting and "grey", that's why I don't agree with the statement Connor made. Sometimes wrong and right can be easily determined, but many times it can't. The malleability of morality and perspectives in general is what essentially allows us to be empathetic towards others. Hmm, what if there is only one way to that end? The only way they're ever really going to stop the war is by getting rid of Armeggy- look what happened the last time they didn't kill him. You don't think being able to end a war by removing the person responsible justifies removing said person? What justifies removing that person then- nothing. So the war will continue... I'm a firm believer in having to sometimes do small evil for the greater good. And the Mech's theme of 'not all in life is black and white- there is much grey' Also as a side-comment; doesn't that make them worse for actually knowing that what they were doing is wrong and doing it anyway?? That's way worse than someone who mistakenly thought what they were doing was for a greater good, because they can say at least they had good intentions.
You mean like this? That'd be so sick I kinda agree, yet disagree; I would think that a mother's son takes priority above all else, yes, she still loves Word very much, but as you said, she wanted a better (more safe) life for Moordryd, and if that meant having to go against Word, then that's what she had to do (Moms are a little odd like that). I think if Zulay returned, she'd probably be a lot more careful when speaking with Word, I mean, it's not like she could go "Hi Honey, I'm home! Please forget about this whole war thing" If she was going to turn Word around for the better, she'd have to take things in baby steps, gentle suggestions; seeing as Word would be, what's the word "Fragile?" after seeing his assumed dead wife after 16+ years. Yeah that's what I meant by my description of how I felt Zulay would be if she returned If she did, I doubt she's outright going to ditch Word's ass as soon as she returns but sort of sit on Word's shoulder like a little angel and keep feeding him more positive suggestions and push him away from the ideas of war. And omg that drawing looks AWESOOOOOOOME And this just goes to show just how many mixed messages are in this show...I'd rather not get into an argument about that... I don't wish to argue, but I do like to challenge my own beliefs by exploring those of others and I'm most curious about you and your sister's views on this~ Do you feel the show promotes ideals that it shouldn't? How about badly maimed? can we agree on that? Sorry, I'm slightly a bad person that way, I just think it really adds to the drama of a series when someone dies or is irreversibly injured, but that's just me....that and I write pretty gritty stories in my spare time. Oh I know, I do sometimes too. I agree that sometimes it works very well in stories, and it's painfully obvious when a writer should have done so but didn't. I just have my doubts if it can be done in a tasteful manner in DB:A. Also, I'm very attached to Moordy T__T I wouldn't be too heart broken to see Artha or any of the Penn Racing crew go for that matter haha, but again, it needs to be used carefully. Just like you have moments where a main gets into a hairy situation and people get let down when they're magically rescued as all mains are, it's also really clichéd to have a big hero die in a dramatic finale. (I love all this talks of ethics, right and wrongs, and you're trying to kill off characters here )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 10:33:45 GMT -5
I'm simply the type that believes quite literally, "One thing that never changes is Right and Wrong!" Like the right and wrong that God wrote in the heart of every man... :)That's all. The only thing I don't like about the show is the whole "Great power within one's self".. Very New-Age and Pagan Idea.... >_> and Rivvet's quote is another one of those above stated Ideas... "There is much grey." Sorry, that's just not how I roll. There are good thing the show teaches like loyalty, family is the most important thing, being honest and such. If you ignore the mixed messages they try to slip in, it's a really top-notch show. I don't want to argue either (you have your opinions, I have mine) so can we just keep talking about Wordy, Moordy and such.. ;)I don't want any harsh feeling. Please. [EDIT] ..... after some thought, yes it would've been better to flat out off Armeggy.... It's like how some people should have the death sentience but are just given life in prison (and what they did was really awful)... I will admit that there are times when something like killing IS necessary. End of statement. If you hate the idea of killing off characters, then you'd REALLY hate One chapter Sis and I wrote called "Death of The Dragon Booster". Don't worry, things still work out.
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